What were they thinking???? - Roofing Talk

tinner666 · 11-18-2008, 06:05 AM

Halfway down the page are the pictures I took yesterday. You can tell that the trades know how to work together so the home is a 'Total Package'.
http://www.albertsroofing.com/Window%20Flashing.htm

Enjoy!

Grumpy · 11-18-2008, 08:31 AM

Now sure what you were trying to show. I saw the window page.

tinner666 · 11-18-2008, 04:34 PM

Midddle of the page grumpy. Windows above a bay window and a porch. Thought that would stick out like a sore thumb.

tinner666 · 11-18-2008, 04:35 PM

Neither the window boys, nor the roofers have a clue.

Grumpy · 11-19-2008, 07:10 AM

It sticks out now, but the page is so long with so many pics I didn't know where to look

or was too lazy to hunt hard anyways.

Classic case of not my job. Very typical for new construction, period. You can't expect these guys to do a good job for what they are paid. The roofer should have cut the housewrap, wrapped ice shield up the plywood then installed his baby tins, then taped the house wrap to the tins. That's how I like to do it. Bullet proof, and doesn't take any extra time to run your knife along the house wrap so you can flash behind it.

BTW anyone else notice the 4 different types of house wraps?

tinner666 · 11-19-2008, 05:09 PM

There's that. And the windows will dump all their water behind the steps too. They should have been un-nailed and flashed.. They expected the tape to waterproof those corners. It's already pulled loose on the lower corners of every window.

I though you did siding??

Grumpy · 11-20-2008, 06:20 AM

I saw that too, which is why I said classic case of "not my job". Some of the tape looks like nothing more than 15#.

It's a roofing forum which is why I commented on roofing.

tinner666 · 11-24-2008, 08:29 AM

My bad. I thought the water running down the window J-channels behind the flashing would create a roof leak.

Ed the Roofer · 11-24-2008, 10:59 AM

As all experienced roofers know only too well, any signs of moisture get blamed on the roofer first.

I can't even count the amount of times I went back to commercial projects for the insidious HVAC condensate pan overflows, due to a clogged p-pipe from muck building up, or from the internal condensate pan being set unlevel.

Ed

Grumpy · 11-24-2008, 05:35 PM

That exact thing recently happened to us. After we did a hose test and spent a few hours on the job we were able to convince them to call a hvac tech. He has fixed their problem but we lost a few man hours, though I hope we did gain some good will.

11-18-2008, 06:05 AM	#1
tinner666 Slate and Metal Roofer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142	What were they thinking???? Halfway down the page are the pictures I took yesterday. You can tell that the trades know how to work together so the home is a 'Total Package'. http://www.albertsroofing.com/Window%20Flashing.htm Enjoy! __________________ SLate Repairs, Richmond, Va. Contractor Domain Name Sales Yes, I Sell them. DIY Roof Help Richmond, Va. Tinner666 Window Flashing Tutorial Last edited by tinner666; 11-18-2008 at 04:34 PM.

11-18-2008, 08:31 AM	#2
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 464	Now sure what you were trying to show. I saw the window page. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

11-18-2008, 04:34 PM	#3
tinner666 Slate and Metal Roofer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142	Midddle of the page grumpy. Windows above a bay window and a porch. Thought that would stick out like a sore thumb. __________________ SLate Repairs, Richmond, Va. Contractor Domain Name Sales Yes, I Sell them. DIY Roof Help Richmond, Va. Tinner666 Window Flashing Tutorial

11-18-2008, 04:35 PM	#4
tinner666 Slate and Metal Roofer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142	Neither the window boys, nor the roofers have a clue. __________________ SLate Repairs, Richmond, Va. Contractor Domain Name Sales Yes, I Sell them. DIY Roof Help Richmond, Va. Tinner666 Window Flashing Tutorial

11-19-2008, 07:10 AM	#5
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 464	It sticks out now, but the page is so long with so many pics I didn't know where to look or was too lazy to hunt hard anyways. Classic case of not my job. Very typical for new construction, period. You can't expect these guys to do a good job for what they are paid. The roofer should have cut the housewrap, wrapped ice shield up the plywood then installed his baby tins, then taped the house wrap to the tins. That's how I like to do it. Bullet proof, and doesn't take any extra time to run your knife along the house wrap so you can flash behind it. BTW anyone else notice the 4 different types of house wraps? __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing Last edited by Grumpy; 11-19-2008 at 07:13 AM.

11-19-2008, 05:09 PM	#6
tinner666 Slate and Metal Roofer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142	There's that. And the windows will dump all their water behind the steps too. They should have been un-nailed and flashed.. They expected the tape to waterproof those corners. It's already pulled loose on the lower corners of every window. I though you did siding?? __________________ SLate Repairs, Richmond, Va. Contractor Domain Name Sales Yes, I Sell them. DIY Roof Help Richmond, Va. Tinner666 Window Flashing Tutorial

11-20-2008, 06:20 AM	#7
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 464	I saw that too, which is why I said classic case of "not my job". Some of the tape looks like nothing more than 15#. It's a roofing forum which is why I commented on roofing. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

11-24-2008, 08:29 AM	#8
tinner666 Slate and Metal Roofer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142	My bad. I thought the water running down the window J-channels behind the flashing would create a roof leak. __________________ SLate Repairs, Richmond, Va. Contractor Domain Name Sales Yes, I Sell them. DIY Roof Help Richmond, Va. Tinner666 Window Flashing Tutorial

11-24-2008, 10:59 AM	#9
Ed the Roofer Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 503	As all experienced roofers know only too well, any signs of moisture get blamed on the roofer first. I can't even count the amount of times I went back to commercial projects for the insidious HVAC condensate pan overflows, due to a clogged p-pipe from muck building up, or from the internal condensate pan being set unlevel. Ed __________________ Just Wait A Minute, I Will Be Right Back With A Link For That. http://www.rightwayroofingcompany.com/ www.rightwayroofingcompany.com Roof Estimates, Roof Repairs, Roofers, Roof Leak Help, Elgin, Carpentersville, East Dundee, West Dundee, Sleepy Hollow, Algonquin, South Elgin, Huntley, Lake In The Hills, Illinois

11-24-2008, 05:35 PM	#10
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 464	That exact thing recently happened to us. After we did a hose test and spent a few hours on the job we were able to convince them to call a hvac tech. He has fixed their problem but we lost a few man hours, though I hope we did gain some good will. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

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