why would u leave your roof open

Grumpy

Yance to answer your question. Yes I would tear off in sections. I would stage what materials I could on the roof, and I would have the rest delivered to the ground and I would hoist or hump those materials to the roof as necessary. I very seldom ever get any steep slope materials roof loaded, I guess that's one more controversy I could add to the list above. That's not to say never, but hardly ever. It's safer for the roofer to have the bulk of the material out of his work area until he's ready for them. There is that word again, SAFER. Are you seeing the trend?

You obviously didn't read my first reply. Who said anything abotu a tear off crew loading crew and isntallation crew? They are all the same crew.


In return to your comment Yance, if you worked for me I'd fire you as well. I make it a point to tell everyone who works for me upfront that they risk being fired for a dry in one time, and if they do it twice they WILL be fired. So the nice thing is that as business owners, we get to choose how our subordinates do things. It's my reputation, it's my insurance and it's my pocket book on the line when they make mistakes. I'm the one losing sleep, not them. I need to ensure that these mistakes are never made in the first place. And again the only way to ensure that is to prohibit risky practices.

And for the record we do very little ez walk 20 square jobs. There are too many guys out there doing those jobs below our cost. Most of our steep slope jobs are medium pitch slightly cut up. And yes most of our steep slope jobs are shingle. We do very little cedar, slate and tile, although have done some, and we only do metal on small jobs. But again very very few of our jobs are simple ez straight forward jobs.



It's ok though, I expected these kinds of responses. It's the same thing every time we have this discussion. I have these arguments with my workers as well.

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Interloc

Well that was long winded,all i can say in the 30yrs i've been drying in,never have i had a leak,mind you we sometimes get it all covered,but theres days when we dont,and there still dry when we get there in the morning,and if a storm is brewing,simple...dont tear.

Grumpy

It was long winded because it needed to be interloc.


That's good, and that's what most people will say. But I have seen them fail. Did you install them? No most likely not. However I will say the more often you do it, the closer you are to your first failure.

It's like an old sales addage. Every "no" you hear congratulate yourself because you are a step closer to your next "yes". While that's just some hokey chit used to keep sales people motivaated, it's still true. All aspects of business is a number game.

I have no problem tearing off a roof if a storm is brewing for the afternoon hours and the sky looks clear now. Why? Because I'll tear off a section, roof it then move to another section if the weather still looks good.


Most guys have no problem tearing off and drying in, I don't see the point. And it's one more way for me to appear better to the customer, even if I am not better, perception is reality. Do I think I am better for not drying in? Well maybe "better isn't the right word. I do think I am safer and do think I am more cautious. Those things matter just as much as workmanship. The customer isn't just buying a roof. They aren't just buying a roofing system. They are buying a complete roofing project with as little interuption and intrusion as possible. I like to think that is what I deliver.

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Interloc

yes i install,i'm a on the job boss,i have salesmen who do the selling.

Grumpy

What are you going to do when you can't pound ever nail anymore? When your back starts giving out? When your knees begin to buckle? What will you then do when you can't be there to ensure everything gets done perfect?

Then you'll begin to think like me.

If you've been roofing 30 years, I'm guessing you're 50-55 years old. Could we agree that you've got 7-15 years left being able to work hands on every day 60 hours a week? I just decided to get off the roof before my body gave out. Most guys are forced off the roof.


I just don't think that people really comprehend the risks they take sometimes.

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Interloc

I'm not gonna argue with ya,just saying,if ya know wtf your doin drying in is drying in.I mean theres just as much risk of gettin on a roof and fallin,does that mean i wont get on a roof anymore?...No.I have done dry ins on almost every roof i've done and we have never had a problem.

English Roofer

We often strip a tiled roof off, felt and batten it and then load the tiles up the next day, i reguard the roof water tight when just the felt and batten is on.
I cant say i have never had a minor leak but 95% of the roofs are water tight, beleive me when i tell you we have alot of rain over here!
Just a question, do you use tyvec breather felt on your pitched tile roofs as underlay?
Cheers
Dave

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Grumpy

Dave I have seen hot mopped BUR beneath very old tile roofs. Now I typically see a full coverage of grace ice and water shield under slate and tile. Like I said though, we don't do much tile ourselves. I even took that offering off our website last year or so.

Dave thank you for admitting that there is a 5%. It's that 5% that scares me and could, in theory, cost me my business one day.

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English Roofer

There is no more a nervous person than my self , with a roof stripped off and a storm forcast! im as careful as i can be and will strip one side at a time if need be but we also have to make some money, i dont take risks any more as my reputation is on the line!
Even after my guys say its water tight i go over it again ,just for peace of mind! we always have a caulk gun handy for the smallest of tears or punch holes.
There is just no other way of doing it and as i said it it covered in as soon as its possible.
Cheers
Dave

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Jasonthompson

I love hearing all ur comments. If u all think it can't happen to u are wrong. It can happen to the best of us. Grumpy said it best it's risk vs reward. Sure I could dry in a roof without it leaking, but what happens if that small rain u thought it was gonna be turns in a huge rain storm (3in in 24hrs) with 70-80mph winds the perfect storm then what u think ur felt job is gonna hold that water out! U are kidding yourself. Felt bleeds water after too much rain (15 and 30lbs both). Then u have leaks bye bleeding felt or ur shit blowing off. Then what???? who looks like the rookie, Not the crew who installed the dry in but the owner who has the repore with the customer then word gets around that this company made my roof leak and they did a crappy job and all the other shit that goes with the problem and this is once again risk vs reward. why put yourself in that position.