reducing shingle exposure

tinner666

BTW TomS. Any damage on that side wall? Lot of staining by that gutter.

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Ed the Roofer

Frank, you should know the obvious answer that saves all roofs from what you must have read at Nachi so far.

But, in this case, they would be extremely correct.

That leak stained stucco wall does in fact need a kick-out flashing to be installed on the upper roof, bottom course.


Further, I agree completely about bending the top of the Standing Seam panel AND using the Z-Flashing, or actually an oversized on one part J-Flashing.


For that double stacked skylight, I would try to find ONE oversized unit to avoid the center flashing details all together.

You can use Smart Vent from DCI Products as an Exhaust Vent on the top course of shingles and then shingle over the top of it and then install the apron flashing from the Roof-To-Wall transition.

To cleanly cut away the stucco, use a 4" grinder with a diamond blade and follow a straight edge line for cosmetics. See if there is ANY room at all to sneak the vertical portion of the Roof-To-Wall Apron flashing behind there, even if it only goes 1-2 inches, without cracking it.

Otherwise, it's time for foam backer rod and a compression seal for a tight surface mounted flashing.

Ed

But, I add one step to that procedure. Where I bend the top of the panel back, so it faces the eave, I also leave the sides on and before I bend them in for a tight fit at the bent panel part, I insert a dab of NP-1 into the open corner joint. Then I peen the sides tightly to the bent panel.

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tinner666

I was sure of that Ed. I was wondering if he had noticed any on the inside. I'm not much of a wordsmith, am I? Good thing I roof better than I talk or type, eh?

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tinner666

"But, I add one step to that procedure. Where I bend the top of the panel back, so it faces the eave, I also leave the sides on and before I bend them in for a tight fit at the bent panel part, I insert a dab of NP-1 into the open corner joint. Then I peen the sides tightly to the bent panel." Yeah, I forgot to add that. Thanks Ed.

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tinner666

Some things are soooo second nature, I easily forget to mention it. Kinda like trying to explain how the legs work when I walk naturally. I don't know what's going on, but I put 1 foot in front of the other until I get there!

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Grumpy

Yeah I talked with someone once and when I saw two valley accessories and asked, why did you change it it seemed like it'd work better the first method, they said someone similiar to the fact that nobody took the time to do it right. IN other words they lowered their standards but in doing so they made it "fool proof". It was so eazy you couldn't mess it up but if you took the time, you could have done better.

What a phucked up world we live in.

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tomstruble

wow you guys are great thank you.I like the u shaped pan idea and a full lenght head flashing is the way to go i got alittle lost on what to do with the head flashing inbetween the units tho.Maybey i can just put a 1inch slot in the vertical leg of the 1 pc head flashing inbetween the units to let it drain without having to wrap it around the heads?

Im starting to think iim going to have to cut the stucco at least to the sill i think its leaking thru the window the more i look at it.
This is really the first time i got a good look at the roof and yea i see where it needs a kickout

Ed do you use that oversized j detail on your ridge or just on your end wall?

i always do a kick out that and head drip most imortant flashing for a sider

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Ed the Roofer

Most of the relatively few standing seam roofs that I have done, usually dead ended into some version of a wall at the top of the panel, with dormers and hips being the only minor differences.

I also bend them the same way on those too, but obviously on an angle to coincide wuith the hip. Valleys are different. I prefer an oversized apron flashing under the panel, rather than the supposedly called for cleat to secure the bottom of the panel. Al that dang thing does, is raise the height of the center of the panel.

Ed

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Ed the Roofer

This topic really tok a detour from reducing shingle exposure.

Good metal talk though. It's rare I ever have to do actual metal roofs, but at least I know how, the Right Way. Or, at least my preferred Right Way.

Ed

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tomstruble

ive done a few over the years, i love bendin metal for some reason and its great to have guys like you and Frank and Grumpy to talk about it with
thanks again