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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
We've only done a hand full, not very many. I've done alot of promoting of these services this winter, but haven't very good results.
I, as well as the customers, have been happy with the results. These jobs can be done in winter when you can't roof. They can be done in the rain when you can't roof. They are so fast, so easy that it's worth offering. |
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My material cost is about the same. I set up my estimating system to calculate how many bags I need. I figured it would be easier if I just paid the installing subs by the bag. I figured $15 per bag for labor. Im using Contracker EZ estimating software. I use it mainly for roofing because I can enter all the dimensions of the roof and it will give me a complete list of materials. I came up with a formula that will allow mw to enter the length & width of the attic and it will tell me how many bags I need. |
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
I use two estimating systems. One is a spreadsheet in excel which is always the better way of doing it, however some estimators are lazy, old school or computer illiterate and need price lists. So I always do both.
Personally I probably won't use the spreadsheet for insulation since it's so basic although I'll make it for those "just in case" times. |
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
I dont suppose you mind sharing your proposal specifications for insulation jobs would you? Including warranties and disclaimers.
It would be appreciated if you can. |
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
I can do it tomorrow since I am not in the office anymore.
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
We propose to insulate the attic…
1. Protect the interior of the house around the work area using drop cloths and cardboard. 2. Prepare the attic by building supports around any canned/recesses light fixtures to ensure there is no contact with the insulation which may cause lights to over-heat. 3. Purchaser to remove any items stored in the attic before work begins. (You will lose this storage space. If you require a raised platform be built for storage please contact your estimator before the start of this project.) 4. We will install approximately 11.5” of Owens Corning fiberglass insulation using a blowing method directly over the existing insulation. The R value of the new insulation is rated at about R-30. (With the addition of your existing insulation, this should meet new energy efficient building codes of R-38.) 5. While installing new insulation we will ensure that the existing insulation, as well as new insulation, does not obstruct proper air flow in any way. 6. Inspect Kitchen and/or Bathroom fans, duct work, and other attic ventilation for flaws and advise. 7. We will clean the work area of all job related debris by sweeping and vacuuming. Dollars ……………………...………………..$.00 □ Optional attic rafter baffles: (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) Install rafter baffles in each rafter pocket to ensure that air intake is not blocked by long-term settling or movement of the attic insulation, for an additional price of: Dollars …………………………...…………………………..……..$.00 □ Optional additional insulation: Install an additional 4“ of insulation to bring the attic up to an R-48 which highly exceeds local building codes and is the recommended R value for the Illinois area by the US Department of Energy for an additional price of: Dollars …………………………...…………………………..……..$.00 |
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
Thanks Grumpy that will be helpful.
I think the recommended level is r-49 now; I am recommending r-49. If they have bats that are 6.5 thick I am recommending 12 of AttiCat insulation. I am rounding up the thickness to 7, 12, 14 or 19 depending on what they need. Ive seen sheet metal used to hold back the insulation around lights. You could take some aluminum trim coil and make a cylinder out of it using sheet metal screws to fasten it together. I wonder if bathroom fans require an insulation barrier also, so that they dont overheat. I know most of them Ive seen are buried in insulation, but if the builder did it wrong the first time we dont want to make it worse. Same thing for recessed lights, there could be some that are already buried. I need to get some pictures together to help the sales process. I tried to sell an insulation job the other day after removing ice dams. When I started talking to the owners about what they needed I could tell that they didnt understand. I should have taken a camera into the attic so I could show them pictures on my computer. |
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
I put together a presentation book using some job site photos as well as taking screen shots while viewing the OC installation video. Definetly a picture speaks 1000 words, with a 10 page flip book everything seems to make sense.
Last I checked which was November of 2008, it was still R 48 by the US Dept of Energy. It may have changed since then but codehere is still R 38 for new construction. Older homes are grandfathered in, but with the average roof haveing about an R 8 existing, it's not a hard sell to tell them they have 20% the insulation they'd be required to have the house were built to today's standards. That really gets the wheels turning in their cranium. For a visual I am going to take a picture on the next job, side by side new vs old showing them how much more thick it'll be after we are done, or in other words showing them side by side just how little insulation they do have. |
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
Nice and simple. Very well done.
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Re: Insulation with roofing jobs
What about old metal coffee cans to put around the can lights in the attic?
Just an idea. I never did any of this before. Ed
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