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Grumpy · 04-28-2009, 05:38 PM

I foresee Ed gets ripped off by a huge corporation who shall remain nameless and we see Ed's product on the market with just enough variations that he can't sue or will be tied up in court for millenia... Ed ever see that movie where the guy sues Ford over the windshield wiper design?

I wish you the best of luck buddy, but if GAF is writing up the agreement, who do you think that agreement will favor? Dot your i's and cross your t's buddy.

Ed the Roofer · 04-28-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy

I foresee Ed gets ripped off by a huge corporation who shall remain nameless and we see Ed's product on the market with just enough variations that he can't sue or will be tied up in court for millenia... Ed ever see that movie where the guy sues Ford over the windshield wiper design?

I wish you the best of luck buddy, but if GAF is writing up the agreement, who do you think that agreement will favor? Dot your i's and cross your t's buddy.

It can't hurt just to preview someone else's document language though. I may pick up on something completely one sided or learn a new twist on how to protect myself as well.

Ed

apehangeralfy · 04-29-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TOMROD

How important is the UV factor?

It's up there for a few differant reasons...

With the Fl inspections it's not all that uncommon for a re-roof to be left in a dry-in stage for a week or two. On some home renovations with siding/stucko, then paint... I've seen re-roofs going into the month plus range.

New construction, I have seen houses sit in dry-in conditions for 6 months. Not so much today as 2 years ago but I would say the avarage sit peroid is about 1-2 months.

If a storm hits and we are in the "do the most good for the most people" stage... One of our plans is to tear off what is needed and peel-n-stick it and move on, in that case 6 months would be the norn or longer. Our main goal will be to get everyone dry first, then go back and re-roof at a later date.

Mattp · 04-29-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy

I foresee Ed gets ripped off by a huge corporation who shall remain nameless and we see Ed's product on the market with just enough variations that he can't sue or will be tied up in court for millenia... Ed ever see that movie where the guy sues Ford over the windshield wiper design?

I wish you the best of luck buddy, but if GAF is writing up the agreement, who do you think that agreement will favor? Dot your i's and cross your t's buddy.

You might be right but if I had to put my money on anybody from this site or CT checking every last detail it would be Ed. With you a close second.

Ed the Roofer · 06-20-2009, 01:41 PM

TomRod,

Any progress on assistance in getting a product patented and marketed yet?

Ed

FLRoofPro · 06-22-2009, 11:29 AM

I have a 15 year history using GAF. Out of Tamko, Certainteed, OC, Atlas, they have always been good performers. The also have the strongest marketing tools, even though others are trying to catch up in that regard.

As for new products, I like the idea of a lower priced designers!

Grumpy · 06-22-2009, 01:39 PM

I think Certainteed has much better marketing programs currently as well as in the past and when we were gaf authorized, Certainteed has/had a much better training and certification system. That's not to say GAF hasn't caught up in that regard because I know they completely revamped their entire credentialed master elite authorized blah blah blah 6 or so years back.

Everyone has their personal prefrence.

TOMROD · 06-25-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed the Roofer

You can send it to: eddiesdad@sbcglobal.net or through the Contact Us section on our website.

Does GAF have a specific program for co-venturing the development and marketing of other peoples patent ideas in place currently, or would everything be handled on a case by case criteria?

Do you need a sample of an actual working prototype?

Ed

I just spoke to our CTO (Chief Technology Officer) about this 2-days ago. He reviewed the legal agreement and didn't like the way it was written. He has them (our lawyers) re-writing it. His concern was 5 years down the road, what if someone comes up with the same idea or version of it, how does it effects the parties involved if no patent is filled. He strongly recommends you (or anyone with ideas) to first have it patented. A provisional is cheaper, but only lasts one year. I will keep you posted...

The Roofing God · 07-09-2009, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Slyfox

Gaf/Elk are both still in paper around here,
I believe there the only ones, not sure.

I like the plastic better because it's easier to contain the wrappers buy tying them into a ball, the paper will sometimes even blow out of the dumpster, like it was yesterday with the winds gusting up neat 20 mph.

I actually prefer the paper wrappers,the plastic hold the water,and the shingles are wet,and steaming in the sun,you need a system to control your wrappers is all Steve,I really don`t care to work with damp shingles,as they damage your hands more ,and are much slower as far as removing the wrapper,also the paper provides better protection from the sun on the roof,and paper is all recycled here in new york,The guys actually will sort it at the transfer stations

abcoroofing · 07-29-2009, 12:41 PM

The only thing i would like is for the Gaf Virtual remodeler to work correctly because i have it in my site and you have to enter the zip code twice for it to work correctly...

http://www.abcoroofingtn.com

04-28-2009, 05:38 PM	#21
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 731	I foresee Ed gets ripped off by a huge corporation who shall remain nameless and we see Ed's product on the market with just enough variations that he can't sue or will be tied up in court for millenia... Ed ever see that movie where the guy sues Ford over the windshield wiper design? I wish you the best of luck buddy, but if GAF is writing up the agreement, who do you think that agreement will favor? Dot your i's and cross your t's buddy. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

06-20-2009, 01:41 PM	#25
Ed the Roofer Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 584	TomRod, Any progress on assistance in getting a product patented and marketed yet? Ed __________________ Just Wait A Minute, I Will Be Right Back With A Link For That. http://www.rightwayroofingcompany.com/ www.rightwayroofingcompany.com Roof Estimates, Roof Repairs, Roofers, Roof Leak Help, Elgin, Carpentersville, East Dundee, West Dundee, Sleepy Hollow, Algonquin, South Elgin, Huntley, Lake In The Hills, Illinois

06-22-2009, 01:39 PM	#27
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 731	I think Certainteed has much better marketing programs currently as well as in the past and when we were gaf authorized, Certainteed has/had a much better training and certification system. That's not to say GAF hasn't caught up in that regard because I know they completely revamped their entire credentialed master elite authorized blah blah blah 6 or so years back. Everyone has their personal prefrence. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

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06-22-2009, 11:29 AM	#26
FLRoofPro Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 23	I have a 15 year history using GAF. Out of Tamko, Certainteed, OC, Atlas, they have always been good performers. The also have the strongest marketing tools, even though others are trying to catch up in that regard. As for new products, I like the idea of a lower priced designers!

07-29-2009, 12:41 PM	#30
abcoroofing Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2	The only thing i would like is for the Gaf Virtual remodeler to work correctly because i have it in my site and you have to enter the zip code twice for it to work correctly... http://www.abcoroofingtn.com