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MJW · 04-26-2009, 09:57 AM

I don't know of any shingles in paper anymore. Truthfully I like the paper much better. GAF was in plastic first up here. Others followed because it is cheaper.

Slyfox · 04-26-2009, 06:46 PM

Gaf/Elk are both still in paper around here,
I believe there the only ones, not sure.

I like the plastic better because it's easier to contain the wrappers buy tying them into a ball, the paper will sometimes even blow out of the dumpster, like it was yesterday with the winds gusting up neat 20 mph.

apehangeralfy · 04-27-2009, 11:58 AM

We need a good reliable button cap gun that uses plastic caps and roofing coil nails... like the BK gun but with better parts availability and product availability.

We are also looking for a gun that has the balls to shoot a .131" 8D ringshank coil nail for renailing decking to code in Fl. that will drive the nail home in old hard lumber and shoot fast.... the Max and others just ain't fast or strong enough... (also make it light... LOL).

A peel-n-seal shingle underlayment that has traction, sealability, high UV rating, light-weight, and has a split release on the back...

more to come...

TOMROD · 04-28-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed the Roofer

I am interested in discussing something further, but I need an ironclad Confidentiality Agreement Form in place first, prior to any discussions taking place.

Ed

I have an agreement being written by my legal department and I will send it once complete. Where should I send it? E-mail, Fax, Etc. You can e-mail me direct trodrigues@gaf.com

TOMROD · 04-28-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by apehangeralfy

We need a good reliable button cap gun that uses plastic caps and roofing coil nails... like the BK gun but with better parts availability and product availability.

We are also looking for a gun that has the balls to shoot a .131" 8D ringshank coil nail for renailing decking to code in Fl. that will drive the nail home in old hard lumber and shoot fast.... the Max and others just ain't fast or strong enough... (also make it light... LOL).

A peel-n-seal shingle underlayment that has traction, sealability, high UV rating, light-weight, and has a split release on the back...

more to come...

The guns are harder to do...but for the P&S underlayment, we have something new in the pipeline. How important is the UV factor?

TOMROD · 04-28-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Slyfox

Gaf/Elk are both still in paper around here,
I believe there the only ones, not sure.

I like the plastic better because it's easier to contain the wrappers buy tying them into a ball, the paper will sometimes even blow out of the dumpster, like it was yesterday with the winds gusting up neat 20 mph.

Home Depot reqired plastic wraps and is our biggest buyer. I don't like plastic because I find them harder to open and it traps water inside that causes rub-loss (i.e. granules falling off the face).

TOMROD · 04-28-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by buildpinnacle

Ironically, in a lot of the roofing contractors who post here seem to use CT products. I have to assume that there are large differences in the quality of product from certain factories. Personally, we have been using GAF products both commercial low slope and steep slope for well over 10 years and I have never had a problem. Maybe its the area. You can't buy any CT products locally where I am at. They just don't have a presence in our market. Most guys around here view it as an inferior product. I'm not exactly sure why, that's just the way it is. GAF and Tamko have this market cornered and have for years. OC is making ground, but well behind.

You are correct about the quality differences between plants. We are in the process of making changes to become more "seamless".

Grumpy · 04-28-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TOMROD

The guns are harder to do...but for the P&S underlayment, we have something new in the pipeline. How important is the UV factor?

For me, UV stability on an underlayment is not at all a factor one bit. I do not beleive in dry-ins therefore I cover the felt and ice shield with shingles. If for some odd reason we get stuck and can't cover it all that day, we will cover the felt with a tarp. You can never be too careful.

TOMROD · 04-28-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MJW

Yesterday it was 55-60 degrees and sunny. We had to be very careful walking up the roof to put the ridge cap on. It seems that alot of these newer shingles are thinner, weaker, and cheaper.....(oh, but more expensive)

That concerns me...What area are you located? What i think you are describing is what we call scuffing or granule loss. Is that correct?

You're correct in saying the product is thinner, but it is not weaker.

Ed the Roofer · 04-28-2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOMROD

I have an agreement being written by my legal department and I will send it once complete. Where should I send it? E-mail, Fax, Etc. You can e-mail me direct trodrigues@gaf.com

You can send it to: eddiesdad@sbcglobal.net or through the Contact Us section on our website.

Does GAF have a specific program for co-venturing the development and marketing of other peoples patent ideas in place currently, or would everything be handled on a case by case criteria?

Do you need a sample of an actual working prototype?

Ed

04-26-2009, 06:46 PM	#12
Slyfox Residential Roofer Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Struthers, Ohio Posts: 83	Gaf/Elk are both still in paper around here, I believe there the only ones, not sure. I like the plastic better because it's easier to contain the wrappers buy tying them into a ball, the paper will sometimes even blow out of the dumpster, like it was yesterday with the winds gusting up neat 20 mph. __________________ God Fearing, Husband/Father, US American, Pool Shooting Roofer Fox Roofing - Since 1994

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04-26-2009, 09:57 AM	#11
MJW Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 13	I don't know of any shingles in paper anymore. Truthfully I like the paper much better. GAF was in plastic first up here. Others followed because it is cheaper.

04-27-2009, 11:58 AM	#13
apehangeralfy Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 33	We need a good reliable button cap gun that uses plastic caps and roofing coil nails... like the BK gun but with better parts availability and product availability. We are also looking for a gun that has the balls to shoot a .131" 8D ringshank coil nail for renailing decking to code in Fl. that will drive the nail home in old hard lumber and shoot fast.... the Max and others just ain't fast or strong enough... (also make it light... LOL). A peel-n-seal shingle underlayment that has traction, sealability, high UV rating, light-weight, and has a split release on the back... more to come...