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Ed the Roofer

I just want to chime in with one piece that you stated that I totally agree with.

What good does it do for the owner of the company or a Qualifying Party to be the only one that is licensed?

Every roofer should be held to certain and ostensibly, very strict guidelines for performance.

But, we work in the system that we are dealt with.

I don't see why a trained professional carpenter, who by their own union in Illinois, allows shngling, to not be included as a licensed roofing contractor myself, with the usual exception that most carpenters do not do, nor like to do, roofing on a daily basis.

Grumpy,

Look up Prate Roofing in Wauconda and their lawsuit against the Carpenters Union.

I have the final verdict court documents if you need me to post them.

But, the point is, that they were sometimes allowed to pay by the sqaure for their shinglers, but they also were then forced to change their method of pay to hourly, if I remember correctly, while other signatory contractors in the Carpenters Union were allowed to pay by the square always.

Finally, the State allows a Home Owner to do their own shingling, which obviously is their right of ownership, but I do believe that the inspection process should be stricter for all roofs installed to get rid of the curdle and only leave the cream of the crop around.

Ed

Here, I found the links:

http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinion...ml/2050534.htm

http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedi...9.imageContent

http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedi...9.imageContent

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Grumpy

Statistically I bet roofers install better roofs than carpenters.

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Grumpy

Ed I am all for more trade education. I am all for stricter enforcement of licensing. Should the installer be licensed, sure why not. I'm all for air tight, iron clad, lock down inspections. Yes! Do it! We need a level playing field because too many hacks and carpentrs cross the line into our trade and that gives professional roofers a bad name.

Can a carpenter install roofing? Sure, why not. Can a roofer frame an addition? Sure why not. The roofer is going to install that roof faster and with less rookie mistakes because it's something he does often. He's got the experience and the muscle memory. The carpenter is going to frame that addition faster and better because that's what he he does more often.

I've no problem with a plumber or janitor installing the roof as long as he is properly trained, properly insured, properly licensed and going to adhere to building codes and adhere to good roofing practice. But then again if the janitor or plumber were licensed roofers, then they'd be roofers... would they not?


The bottom line is a criminal (yes literally CRIMINAL since by your own admission you are intending to circumvent the LAW and install a roof without the required credentials) comes into the forum and asks professional licensed roofers how he can steal from our pockets. No that aint going to fly with me around. Dude! The guy doesn't even know what to charge for the job, that doesn't build any confidence in his roofing ability.

Now let's talk about insurance. You may be covered to install that roof, I don't know, I have not seen your policy; however I am willing to bet on your WC you're not going to tell them at audit time that you're installing roofs now (42%) vs doing carpentry (25%) Yeah big difference.


Ed you know my opinion on unions. <sticks out his tongue>

FYI Prate is a state licensed roofing contractor so I have no problem with them, weather they choose to be in the roofers union or carpenters union, I can care less.

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The bottom line is a criminal (yes literally CRIMINAL since by your own admission you are intending to circumvent the LAW and install a roof without the required credentials) comes into the forum and asks professional licensed roofers how he can steal from our pockets. No that aint going to fly with me around. Dude! The guy doesn't even know what to charge for the job, that doesn't build any confidence in his roofing ability.

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Gettem Grumpy

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Mattp

So you think because they own their house they have the right to shinlge it? Yeah they probably do. Do you also believe that a person should be able to perform their own heart surgery?

Ed the Roofer

Feel free to cut throught the rib cage cartilage and pop open the hood with a chest spreader on yourself anytime you feel like it.

Read what I said first, before you start throwing around the poor abused smiley around haphazardly.

Ed

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