Shinlge Prices - Roofing Talk

user182 · 02-09-2009, 12:55 PM

My supplier said that they are prbably going to raise shinlge prices another 10% in March, do you know if they are raising prices in your area?

Grumpy · 02-09-2009, 01:37 PM

I was told that back in December, although ABC gave me a January price list with no increases LOL. We'll see, but I do anticipate an increase.

English Roofer · 02-09-2009, 04:42 PM

Prices here went up 10-15% accross the board here in january, im mainly talking about roof tiles and slates as shingles are not used much here.
I tend to play my suppliers against each other to get the price i want and have found that shopping around has reduced my prices by the increase!
Cheers
Dave

chb70 · 02-09-2009, 09:35 PM

The last increase I received was in October from ABC.
I have not heard of anything else since Dec. because they fired my sales rep.

user182 · 02-11-2009, 09:33 PM

I had to update pricing for phase 3 of some apartments we’ve been working over a period of 3 years.

I compared my materials to 9 months ago and they’ve gone up 50%. Now I have to break the news to the manger.

My supplier says another increase of about 7% is coming the first week in March.

OUTLAW · 02-24-2009, 07:54 PM

I have been told that we will have a 10% increase in March.

Grumpy · 02-25-2009, 06:09 AM

Watch out, Obama's Repave America plan will severly hurt asphalt prices. I was talking with a certaitneed rep (not a local guy but a higher up corporate guy), not the suppliers who give alot of false information. I think I got the real skinny from him.

Essentially he explained how in 2007 the US government mandated "cokers" be applied to refineries to produce less sulfur in the gas and reduce emmisions. I suppose these cokers are super expensive or they'd have done them sooner, because I am told as a result of the cokers less asphalt is actually produced. To those who don't know Asphalt is a by product from actually producing gasoline. Gasonline sell for more per measurement than asphalt so the refineries are producing as much gasoline as possible.

To add insult to injury 85% of aspahlt produced goes to roads. 15% goes to roofing and other. Let me say that again 85% roads, 15% other. We are the other, and only a fraction of the other. Now back to the repave america plan to stimulate the economy. Sounds like a great idea actually since it worked for Ike when he built the interstate e-ways. However it's going to hurt roofing.

Here is my prediction for residential roofing... Write this down, I want it on record... oh wait I'm writing it in this post, never mind

Asphalt based roof shingles will continue to rise to a point where the synthetic alternatives like ecostar, davinci, and lamarite become very feasable alternatives. Metal is also currently gaining popularity and I expect that to take a spike upwards as well. In addition the increased production of these alternatives will lower the price. This will happen in the not so distant future, maybe 2-3 more years.

My prediction for commercial roofing is not anything astounding, and has been going on since the 90's. Asphalt roofing is losing market share year after year to single ply. The rising asphalt prices will just super charge that loss of market share. It already happened to us last year putting single ply as our primary roof covering for low slope and modified as our secondary.

Start gearing up for the changes now guys, it's coming for sure. Mark my words!

As for the March increases I am having 5 jobs delivered this week which will be neatly tarped and waiting for us when the weather breaks above 40 consistantly.

OUTLAW · 02-25-2009, 06:49 AM

Grumpy

I concur. Asphalt as an economical roof covering is going away.

tumpline · 02-25-2009, 09:59 AM

With the falling oil prices there should be more asphalt on the market as the coaking process is expensive and only profitable when crude is selling for high prices. The Repave America Plan will unfortunately keep asphalt in high demand thus driving up the prices.
For anyone interested I did find a link explaining oil refining and coaking process. http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining5.htm
I also agree that asphalt based products will continue to rise in the future as the world is consuming much more asphalt and is not finding any new major sites for future development.

user182 · 02-25-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Watch out, Obama's Repave America plan will severly hurt asphalt prices. I was talking with a certaitneed rep (not a local guy but a higher up corporate guy), not the suppliers who give alot of false information. I think I got the real skinny from him.

Essentially he explained how in 2007 the US government mandated "cokers" be applied to refineries to produce less sulfur in the gas and reduce emmisions. I suppose these cokers are super expensive or they'd have done them sooner, because I am told as a result of the cokers less asphalt is actually produced. To those who don't know Asphalt is a by product from actually producing gasoline. Gasonline sell for more per measurement than asphalt so the refineries are producing as much gasoline as possible.

To add insult to injury 85% of aspahlt produced goes to roads. 15% goes to roofing and other. Let me say that again 85% roads, 15% other. We are the other, and only a fraction of the other. Now back to the repave america plan to stimulate the economy. Sounds like a great idea actually since it worked for Ike when he built the interstate e-ways. However it's going to hurt roofing.

Here is my prediction for residential roofing... Write this down, I want it on record... oh wait I'm writing it in this post, never mind

Asphalt based roof shingles will continue to rise to a point where the synthetic alternatives like ecostar, davinci, and lamarite become very feasable alternatives. Metal is also currently gaining popularity and I expect that to take a spike upwards as well. In addition the increased production of these alternatives will lower the price. This will happen in the not so distant future, maybe 2-3 more years.

My prediction for commercial roofing is not anything astounding, and has been going on since the 90's. Asphalt roofing is losing market share year after year to single ply. The rising asphalt prices will just super charge that loss of market share. It already happened to us last year putting single ply as our primary roof covering for low slope and modified as our secondary.

Start gearing up for the changes now guys, it's coming for sure. Mark my words!

As for the March increases I am having 5 jobs delivered this week which will be neatly tarped and waiting for us when the weather breaks above 40 consistantly.

What do you think about steel shingles like Decra?
They have a granual coating. The color samples don't look so hot.

02-09-2009, 12:55 PM	#1
user182 user182 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 313	Shinlge Prices My supplier said that they are prbably going to raise shinlge prices another 10% in March, do you know if they are raising prices in your area?

02-09-2009, 01:37 PM	#2
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 731	I was told that back in December, although ABC gave me a January price list with no increases LOL. We'll see, but I do anticipate an increase. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

02-09-2009, 04:42 PM	#3
English Roofer Roofing Expert Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 192	Prices here went up 10-15% accross the board here in january, im mainly talking about roof tiles and slates as shingles are not used much here. I tend to play my suppliers against each other to get the price i want and have found that shopping around has reduced my prices by the increase! Cheers Dave __________________ 'I can resist anything but temptation'- Oscar Wilde

02-09-2009, 09:35 PM	#4
chb70 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5	The last increase I received was in October from ABC. I have not heard of anything else since Dec. because they fired my sales rep. __________________ RSC Builders, Inc Can You Dig It! http://www.rscbuilders.net

02-11-2009, 09:33 PM	#5
user182 user182 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 313	Compared to 9 months ago I had to update pricing for phase 3 of some apartments we’ve been working over a period of 3 years. I compared my materials to 9 months ago and they’ve gone up 50%. Now I have to break the news to the manger. My supplier says another increase of about 7% is coming the first week in March.

02-24-2009, 07:54 PM	#6
OUTLAW Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: VIRGINIA Posts: 167	I have been told that we will have a 10% increase in March.

02-25-2009, 06:09 AM	#7
Grumpy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 731	Watch out, Obama's Repave America plan will severly hurt asphalt prices. I was talking with a certaitneed rep (not a local guy but a higher up corporate guy), not the suppliers who give alot of false information. I think I got the real skinny from him. Essentially he explained how in 2007 the US government mandated "cokers" be applied to refineries to produce less sulfur in the gas and reduce emmisions. I suppose these cokers are super expensive or they'd have done them sooner, because I am told as a result of the cokers less asphalt is actually produced. To those who don't know Asphalt is a by product from actually producing gasoline. Gasonline sell for more per measurement than asphalt so the refineries are producing as much gasoline as possible. To add insult to injury 85% of aspahlt produced goes to roads. 15% goes to roofing and other. Let me say that again 85% roads, 15% other. We are the other, and only a fraction of the other. Now back to the repave america plan to stimulate the economy. Sounds like a great idea actually since it worked for Ike when he built the interstate e-ways. However it's going to hurt roofing. Here is my prediction for residential roofing... Write this down, I want it on record... oh wait I'm writing it in this post, never mind Asphalt based roof shingles will continue to rise to a point where the synthetic alternatives like ecostar, davinci, and lamarite become very feasable alternatives. Metal is also currently gaining popularity and I expect that to take a spike upwards as well. In addition the increased production of these alternatives will lower the price. This will happen in the not so distant future, maybe 2-3 more years. My prediction for commercial roofing is not anything astounding, and has been going on since the 90's. Asphalt roofing is losing market share year after year to single ply. The rising asphalt prices will just super charge that loss of market share. It already happened to us last year putting single ply as our primary roof covering for low slope and modified as our secondary. Start gearing up for the changes now guys, it's coming for sure. Mark my words! As for the March increases I am having 5 jobs delivered this week which will be neatly tarped and waiting for us when the weather breaks above 40 consistantly. __________________ -Grumpy Chicago Gutters Chicago Roofing

02-25-2009, 06:49 AM	#8
OUTLAW Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: VIRGINIA Posts: 167	Grumpy I concur. Asphalt as an economical roof covering is going away.

02-25-2009, 09:59 AM	#9
tumpline Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 39	With the falling oil prices there should be more asphalt on the market as the coaking process is expensive and only profitable when crude is selling for high prices. The Repave America Plan will unfortunately keep asphalt in high demand thus driving up the prices. For anyone interested I did find a link explaining oil refining and coaking process. http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining5.htm I also agree that asphalt based products will continue to rise in the future as the world is consuming much more asphalt and is not finding any new major sites for future development.

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